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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 15, 2009 10:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I bit the bullet

There is a big difference between preaching, and stating I (or CLIFF) love the sound of 68...I don't know that I have EVER read a post here in which someone said "68 is sooo much better than 85 and if you don't like it, you are stupid" or even anything close.

In fact, most all the folks that say things along the lines of liking one era over another, do so with the uppermost respect, feeling almost emabrrassed about admitting it for fear of offending someone.

Even when someone says, "oh man, that SUCKS!" when hearing a show from 95, or 09, it in no way means that they are either preachers or Jerry lovers.

The same folks are just as likely to say, "Oh crap, can you believe how BAD Phil sounds on the Eleven in X-X-69?"

Crap is crap, and that is all.

In fact, if I can be so bold, I actually think it's completely backasswards: the folks that complain the most about this issue are the ones that have the problem as they seem VERY upset when folks say "I don't like the band, the DEAD, and won't go!" rather than just letting it lie...

They do seem PREACHY to me because they imply that one is less than HOLY if one questions quality.

Sorry, had to get that off my chest, and not saying you necessarily represent the folks I am talking about, but here and moreso at HOOK, it is something that gets under my skin...

Maybe folks think I am preaching regularly, but I think I am just redundant and repetitive, and there is a big difference...In point of fact, if JOTS won't mind me using him as an example, I think it bothers HIM more that I don't listen to much past 71 than me...IE, because he can't understand why I don't like what he likes as much.

But, I don't think he would say I try to convert him to the early era or belittle him for liking 82; if anything, I take more flak for being narrow minded...

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Apr 15, 2009 11:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I bit the bullet

" In point of fact, if JOTS won't mind me using him as an example, I think it bothers HIM more that I don't listen to much past 71 than me...IE, because he can't understand why I don't like what he likes as much."

It's not so much about me wanting you to like what I like. Everybody has their preferences and that's what music and art should be, a personal relationship to it right? It should touch ones soul. The only thing that frustrates me is that you and Cliff have sort of expressed that the music later has no value whatsoever ( although to be fair Cliff does extend it past 71 ). That's different than saying you don't care for a particular period.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 15, 2009 11:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I bit the bullet

So, that was sorta my point if you won't think I was being devious.

IE, I kinda thought you thought this, BUT the fact is, I went to those shows, enjoyed them (as you know, not as much as I thought I should have, etc.), and now very much like 68 more...thus, I don't think I have ever said "post 71 doesn't have value" for precisely the reason you outline (it's all personal), BUT because I don't listen to it, YOU struggle with it.

Now, that is human nature. It is exactly what I do when I can't convince you 68 is better (ie, I feel like you SHOULD like what I like, etc., and it puzzles me).

So, my whole point here is I think we all do this--we more or less get pissed off (in a trivial way) trying to understand why people we appreciate/like/whatever don't see the world the way we do.

But, it's not because YOU told me 68 sucks, OR I told you 82 SUCKs, it was just because that is how we translate the observation that I don't listen to 82 and you don't live for 68...

Do you see what I mean by this logic?

I am just reacting to the point above in which someone said I was preaching or condenscending...I don't think I have been, and only folks like you or Rob would struggle with why I don't like Scar-->Fire cause you are sure I am missing something, etc., BUT not because I was nasty about it...I think...

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Poster: BongWzrd Date: Apr 15, 2009 12:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I bit the bullet

"I am just reacting to the point above in which someone said I was preaching or condenscending" William Tell


I certainly hope that was not directied at me.....I said no mention of anyones name whatsoever nor said anyone was preaching.....I said I (key word is me) don't preach about 69 through 78' being the best......

Trust me, I'm very picky with what I collect from the Grateful Dead (it took me 8 years of being a hard-headed trader to listen to a show from the 80's) and I COMPLETLY understand fans staying in the era or years they enjoy....That might be one of the greatest things about this band is that there are so many shades and colors to pick from....

Again, that was not directed to any paticular person here, especially you Tell.....I enjoy reading your posts thourghly..

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 15, 2009 12:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I bit the bullet

My bad--was combining inferences and such into one over the top characterization of folks that take that approach.

At one level, we all do it, but I was suggesting it's not so much because the "other" guy says "you stink!" as it is because WE internalize it and turn it around ("hmmm, they never tell me 68 is way better than everything else, so there must be something wrong with my period or they'd see it my way, ergo, they just said I suck!").

Splitting hairs at some level with this pure speculative psycho babble.

No hard feelings.

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Apr 15, 2009 2:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I bit the thread

"one man gathers what another man spills"

or, as the fisherman said upon discovering the sea was made of whiskey, "We're gonna have to piss in the boat from now on."

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Apr 15, 2009 3:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I bit the thread

If the River was Whiskey,
and I was a divin' Duck
I would dive to the bottom,
and I would never come up . . .

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Apr 16, 2009 11:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I bit the thread

lucky duck!

and the author is?

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Poster: dilcurrie Date: Apr 16, 2009 11:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I bit the thread

traditional, full lyrics:

If the River Was Whiskey

If the river was whiskey and I was a duck
I'd dive to the bottom and I'd never come up

Oh tell me how long do I have to wait
Oh can I get you now, mustn't hesitate

If the river was whiskey and the branch was wine
You'd see me in swimming just any ole time

I was born in England, raised in France
I bought a suit of clothes and they wouldn't send the pants

I was born in Alabama, raised in Tennesee
If you don't like my peaches then don't shake my tree

I looked down the road just as far as I can see
A man had my woman and the blues had me

I ain't no doctor but the doctor's son
I can do the doctoring till the doctor comes

Got the hesitation stockings got the hesitation shoes
Oh my Lord I got the hesitation blues

I was born in Kingston, raised in Rosendale
I went through a stop sign and they threw me in jail

interesting lyrics, one of many versions

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Apr 16, 2009 12:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I bit the thread

Love it - thanks

Johnny Winter version - lyrics attributed to Sleepy John Estes

If the river was whiskey and I was a divin',
Baby I was a divin' duck
(Oh) If the river was whiskey and I was a divin' duck
I would dive on the bottom, baby I would never come up

Well the sun gonna shine in my back door
Baby in my back door some day
Sun gonna shine in my back door someday
Well the wind gonna rise, blow my nat'ral blues away

(Yes it is)

Wrap your arms around me like a circle round the sun
I want you to love me pretty mama like my easy rider done
Wrap your legs around me like a circle round the sun
I want to you love me, pretty mama like my easy rider done

(Go ahead and ride on)

[Instrumental]

If I can't come in let me sit down by your
Baby let me sit down by your door
If I can't come in, let me sit down by your door
I can love you so easy it's your husband will never know

If the river was whiskey and I was a divin'
Baby, I was a divin' duck
(Oh) If the river was whiskey and I was a divin' duck
I would dive and dive, baby I would never come up

I would dive on the bottom baby, I would never come up
Oh, I would drive on the bottom, good girl would never come up

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 17, 2009 11:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I drank it...

Off for a few days with my trusty bottle of Jameson and I miss out on all this? Damn.

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Apr 17, 2009 11:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I drank it...

Don't blink

I was away for a whole week - can't imagine what I missed.

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Poster: sambonk2 Date: Apr 15, 2009 11:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I bit the bullet

well put Mr Tell

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 15, 2009 11:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I bit the bullet

I probably came off as a pathetic whiner, but had to do it...at least now I can stop talking to JGLy since it is clear he is a complete loser, having sold out to the money grubbers and descended to the depths...he is defn no longer worthy. He probably only says he sometimes listens to 68.

There--see? I can be nasty, even as Will Rodgers...

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Apr 15, 2009 11:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I bit the bullet

ahahahahahaha

You mean Pathetic OLD Whiner don't you????

At least your not a cow loving T-Jed hater!!

:)

P.S. I got close to '68 today with TDIH 69

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1969-04-15.aud.komar.miller.31523.flac16

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Apr 15, 2009 12:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I bit the bullet

This is one of my favorite Dark Stars. There are a few moments that the band and especially Jerry are tearing holes in the space-time fabric and one especially powerful Jerry riff that says to me "BE HERE NOW"

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